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Marcos Mariño's avatar

This is an interesting text, but in my view it does not distinguish appropriately between personal and collective violence, and between institutional and insurgent violence. In particular, the comment on Burke and the French Revolution seems to me too much on the conservative side. The fact is that Ancien Regime elites opposed adamantly reasonable demands, and their institutional violence (including foreign intervention) contributed decisively to the spiral of violence that ensued. Arno Mayer, in his book "The furies", has countered this conservative narrative in a very clever way. We like it or not, actually existing liberalism required a one-hundred year violent dismantling of the Ancien Regime and its injustices and inequalities. It is hard to think about a realistic historical alternative to this (Burke did not tell us, I think), and it is surprising that modern liberals "repress" the very material conditions of what allowed them to become historically hegemonic.

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Ax Ganto's avatar

Very interesting as always. The point about long term ignorance works not only for the future but also the past. People don’t take into account how arduous and complex the road to civilization was. They assume our current state is natural.

But, if our unconscious violent reflexes make us misadjusted to the modern world, it’s also true that our conscious expectations make us completely unprepared for the savagery of the old one. Almost everyone calling for aggressions would be lost if we went back to the law of the jungle.

Regarding long term strategies and the iterated prisoner’s dilemma, maybe you can confirm but I remember reading that tit-for-tat with a bit of forgiveness (to account for noise in the signals) was the best strategy -which shows how important candid cooperation is.

One small nitpick about the quote: “c’est pire qu’un crime, c’est une faute” is usually attributed to Antoine Boulay de la Meurthe although sometimes to Joseph Fouché (in his biography by Stefan Zweig)

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