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Andy G's avatar

“No, religion isn’t required for morality”

I agree that this is a true statement. And there is no doubt that many atheists and agnostics are in fact quite moral.

I like to think I am one of them.

But it does not change the fact that the substantial reduction in morality in our country and indeed the entire Western world - most notably and obviously in the former Soviet bloc countries, but by no means only there - has occurred simultaneously with a steep drop in religiousity.

And beyond this, many leftists are openly hostile to religion and many of them are openly hostile to “Judeo-Christian values”. This last is, if not completely equivalent to morality, a near-perfect proxy.

So just because your title is a true statement doesn’t mean that we don't have a massive problem in transmitting moral values now that religion and religiousity are treated with hostility by left elites.

Or that in fact said problem is the *biggest* problem we have regarding the loss of morality.

And not coincidentally, one of the biggest problems we have in maintaining civil society and the neoliberal (a.k.a. capitalist) system that has created and can continue to grow the world’s wealth and prosperity.

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Woolery's avatar

Thanks for tackling a contentious topic with clarity and honesty. This straightforward argument, which you’ve well articulated, has surprisingly lost ground in the last decade. The fact that moral necessity precedes religious doctrines (which differ and often conflict) doesn’t necessarily preclude a moral god or gods, but it does demonstrate how moral intuitions that facilitate a cooperative equilibrium can arise independent of scripture.

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