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SkinShallow's avatar

It's interesting that all that presents depression as FUNDAMENTALLY, at least on some level, reactive, or at least inter-active with the environment, rather than focusing on "fairly random disruption in neurochemistry that MIGHT "have a reason" but often doesn't" -- which is a narrative that seems to dominate current mainstream framing of depression.

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It all goes back to your thesis on the reference point / expectations and the tension between coasting (low expectations leading to a "wasted" life by some account and probably leading to boredom and depression) and pushing too hard (unrealistic expectations leading to stress and depression). I think you adjudicate this tension by saying that we are evolutionarily built to push too hard and change the goal post b/c this is how we have the most success. And furthermore we cannot help but be unhappy in the service of achieving our potential. Depression as deep unhappiness would be the logical consequence of that process on one tail of the population distribution?

While this normative description makes sense to me, I propose that this tension is solved differently - which is by developing and cultivating a value system that brings joy in ones life because it is meaningful intrinsically not because it leads to external validation/accomplishments. The Stoics whom you quote have a lot of useful stuff to say about this - control, virtues, impermanence etc.

I am curious to know how many people educated in the main Stoic teachings consider themselves depressed. And how many people that had been depressed came out of it or have reduced symptoms after they read the Stoics. I assume that all the true religious (even the socially religious) would score well given the meaning they get from their practice, community etc. In other words, I am curious to know if deep depression (as a biological heritable trait) can be overcome with developing a moral theory of what it is to live a good life .

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