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Swami's avatar

Let me ask a few simple questions to try to understand better.

Let’s say we defeat our enemies in battle and offer them death or slavery and they choose slavery. And they do all the work and we get 90% of the cooperative rewards (10% feeds the slaves). Is this just as long as we all agree to the terms of the social contract? What would make it more just?

Let’s say we have a system where some people are soldiers and some are laborers. The laborers suggest they get 90% because they did all the work. The soldiers suggest they get 90% “or else”? Which is just? What is the more efficient social contract? Is it the point(s) along the spectrum where laborers work and soldiers don’t take everything?

Nathan Kracklauer's avatar

Appreciate your posts as always, Lionel. What I have still struggled with when it comes to this game theory and bargaining account of morality is the question of scope. We are embedded in a nested hierarchy of groups that each claim our loyalty (i.e., our commitment to cooperate). Much conflict (or need for cooperation) is not between "self" and "group" nor between "my team" and "your team" but between "my team" and the larger organization that contains my team and is trying to coordinate its efforts with other teams.

To borrow a classic (if extreme) example: In joining your nation-state's resistance against the conquering empire (which, after, all, just wants to bring "peace, freedom, justice and security" to the Galaxy), you are cooperating at the nation-state level, "defecting" at the empire level, and "defecting" from your family by putting them in danger. Entire mafia-themed epics are built on these tensions.

Each level has a narrative telling you why that level should command your highest loyalty. What's the calculus that tells you what level to optimize for? Any choice you make constitutes a defection at some level, cooperation at another.

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